Almost Passive House

  • The House
    • Building Details
    • Floor plans
  • About Us
    • Contact us
    • Advertising
  • Resources
    • Random Notes
    • Books We Like
    • Links
    • Tips
  • Blog archive
 

Overheating from south windows

Ted — July 22, 2012

Andrea and I started sleeping in the house two nights ago, so some things that I've been noticing about the heating profile of the house are starting to become clear.

When we finally got the HRV running a few weeks ago, I was disappointed to notice that we don't have the kind of evenness of temperature between the upper and lower stories of the house that we were hoping for. My first panicked theory about this was that the HRV wasn't working. Panicked, because the tubes are all nice and snug behind walls now, so if we got it wrong, it's going to be a real pain to fix. The good news is that I don't think the problem is the HRV, although I'm contemplating one tweak to the vent layout which we could do without any wall surgery.

When we talked with Peter Schneider about overheating, he reported his experience with some of the houses that Efficiency Vermont has designed up in Charlotte, Vermont. These all have lots of south-facing windows, and Peter hasn't seen problems with overheating in the summer. Based on Peter's reports, we were kind of hoping to get away without doing one of the features we've got on the plan: active shading on the south-facing windows.

If you look at the drawing of the house at the top of the blog page, which is a view of the south face, you'll see that the lower windows have what looks like louvers on them. These are part of the solar shading plan—the idea is to install them in spring and keep them around until fall, and then take them off and stash them for the winter. These louvers will prevent high-angle light from making it through the window in the summer and heating the interior space. By installing them on the outside, we minimize heat gain inside—hopefully most of the heat that is generated when sunlight is absorbed by these shades will re-radiate into the outside air, rather than heating the inside of the house.

Why is Peter seeing different results? I don't know, but I have a theory. I think the windows in the houses in Charlotte may not have the same solar heat gain coefficient as ours, and may reflect more high-incidence light, while letting low-incidence light in, so that they gain more heat in the winter than they do in the summer, even if the same amount of light is hitting them.

The way our house is set up, we have a heat pump indoor unit on the wall downstairs, right in the center of the house. We have nothing upstairs. So the reason I was worried that the HRV wasn't working is that one possible interpretation of the data is that we're cooling the house adequately, but the HRV isn't doing its job in redistributing the heat evenly throughout the house. If that's the case, it's kind of a big problem.

But having just spent the morning sitting down next to the windows with the heat pump off, I have a different theory. For most of the morning, it was nice and cool downstairs, but as more sun came in and the day went on, it started to get hot, just as it is upstairs in the afternoon. In other words, the heat coming in from the windows is heating the upstairs and downstairs evenly; the reason that it feels hotter upstairs is because the cooling effect of the heat pump completely counteracts the heating effect of the windows. I've confirmed this by turning the heat pump back on.

So this gives me some real confidence that when we get around to building and installing the louvers, we will stop experiencing overheating in the south part of the house. I'm still a little tempted to add one more supply vent on the south side of the house upstairs, but that's something I'm hoping to have a chance to debate with the guys at Zehnder. If it needs to be done, it's a really easy fix, because I can do it up in the utility loft, which doesn't have a finished floor.

‹ previous
next ›
  • Green Building 101
  • Ted's blog
  • Add new comment

Re: Overheating from south windows

Marilynn — August 20, 2012

I have spent several days catching up on your blog, from inaugural post to present. We are in the process of building a passive house as well and have found your blog to be most helpful and timely. You are certainly braver than we are in taking this task on, initially, yourselves. Once we realized passive house was the route we wanted to go we searched our local area for a passive house architect...not an easy task as there's so few around at the moment. He encouraged us to also partner with a PH modeling/testing consultant. Even with the experienced team we have assembled we still find ourselves being somewhat overwhelmed at the process.

It's surprising to me how parallel our ideals (such as not being concerned about payback as much as building the most efficient house possible) and our building lots (sloped and ledgy) are.

Thank you for all the information and resources you have included in this blog. We are only at the floor plan stage. I will be keeping a close eye on your progress. The more we know the easier it is to make descisions and keep our team on track.

  • reply

Re: Overheating from south windows

Bronwyn — July 30, 2012

Hi Ted and Andrea,
On our PH projects here in California we are finding that exterior shades are critical, as is our ability to use night ventilation cooling to dump the excess heat built up during the day. Your summers are probably just as hot as ours are here on the West Coast, and your thicker wall assemblies take even longer to 'loose' any excess heat. I'd say you're experiencing a classic case of 'beginner PH' and you're in great company. Everyone from Dr. Feist to KK went through the same learning curve - they both added shading to their first buildings after completion because of overheating! Maybe we can refer to this as the 'cooling off period' in our evolution?
Happy shading!
Bronwyn

  • reply

Re: Overheating from south windows

Ted — July 31, 2012

Cooling off period? *Groan*! :)

We have the added complication that night flushing may or may not work here because of humidity. If the humidity is high, it may be better to run the heat pump than do a night flush—otherwise it may get unacceptably humid in the house. The good news is that the really hot days don't last very long in Vermont—at least, not yet. The climate has been getting progressively warmer in Vermont, so I suppose we can't count on that.

  • reply

Re: Overheating from south windows

Terry Davenport — July 30, 2012

Hi. After reading about your solar overheating challange, you might consider a solar pv or thermal collector placed as a shade to your windows. There is a company here in Montana, that has an adjustable solar pv window awning. the company is called Scott solar, website is www.scottsolarllc.com In Montana, we have cool nights of around 50 degrees, while the day high temp goes up to 90 plus. We have very low humidity. So we open all our windows at night and close them during the day. My cottage was 69 degrees at one in the afternoon and the outside temp was at 89f today. Hope this helps, congradulations on your new passivhaus and keep up the good work!

Terry D

  • reply

Re: Overheating from south windows

Ted — July 31, 2012

Thanks! The solar collector on the roof was actually intended to provide shading, but we unfortunately can't go with a fully passive solution—the geometry just didn't quite work out. We thought about putting passive solar louvers sticking out horizontally over the windows, but even though they wouldn't fully shade the windows in the winter, they would have reduced our heat gain, and we decided we didn't want that.

We have talked about setting up some kind of automatic active shading system, but I think we are going to try the low-tech solution first. It's easy to do, and I think it will look pretty cool; the question is whether we'll get tired of putting on solar storm windows in the summer. The problem with active systems is keeping them going year after year—if they require significant maintenance, you might as well just do the storm windows.

  • reply

Re: Overheating from south windows

Jack — July 30, 2012

I'm only familiar with one of the Charlotte houses you mentioned, the modular Habitat PH. It has roof overhangs that are very close (vertically) to the 2nd floor windows so I would expect them to get more shading than your much-higher overhang provides, but maybe you make up for it with the horizontal dimension?

Also your 15° tilt from true South might be a factor, since the sun can sneak in at a low angle a bit earlier in the day to get the heating process started? Maybe I'm reaching here.

Will be interested to hear more about your strategies to address overheating!

  • reply

Re: Overheating from south windows

Ted — July 30, 2012

Yes, I suspect you're right about the 15º, and also about the overhang. We will definitely be posting more information on this as we learn more—just because the house is almost built doesn't mean that the job of this blog is done. Really, we've just got to the interesting part! :)

  • reply

Random Bits

Get a compass!

If you don't know what "passive solar" means, immediately read this post explaining it. If you have a short attention span, feel free to skip the first few paragraphs.

[ Browse all tips ]

Search

Tags

Conventional "wisdom" Expensive mistakes Floods Foundation Framing Fusspot alert Gardening Green Building 101 Haiku I swear this is true! Lighting Major geekage Passivhaus Roof SketchUp Windows

User login

  • Request new password
To prevent automated spam submissions leave this field empty.

Powered by Drupal, an open source content management system